Thatch Advice Centre Newsletter No 27
Hello Everyone!
Things at Thatch HQ have certainly been interesting, challenging and a lot better than last year. Hoping that things are going well for our subscribers too?
The long dry summer has been a challenge for everyone. Poor thatchers have struggled on valiantly in the heat and farmers have made great efforts growing and harvesting our specialist thatching straw. Homeowners, prospective homeowners and many others have also come up with an amazing variety of queries and calls for assistance (see below).

We seem to have been even busier than usual, maybe due to an ever buoyant property market. From thatched roof inspection reports and thatching works, as well as maintenance enquiries, to entries for the picture competition, social media and everything in between. We haven’t slowed.
Our ever increasing Newsletter subscriber numbers, coupled with wanting to keep it free for everyone, has also meant that County Insurance’s sponsorship of this newsletter is hugely appreciated. All the offers of sponsorship from our wonderful Insurance Associates, means that we should be good to go for a few years yet!
The sad passing of our beloved Queen Elizabeth II cannot go without mention. We all feel the loss of such a constant and devoted monarch and King Charles III has big shoes to fill.
So, without further ado, what do we have for you?

In this Newsletter
Our Newsletter Sponsors – County Insurance
Updates to our Website
New Associates
Chocolate Box Thatch Picture Competition Winner
Article in the Herald
Bookers Barn
Mysteries – Can you Identify?
This Year’s Straw Harvest
Flashback Fridays
Historic England – Update on Material Supply
Bird Problems – Watch This Space
Blast from the Past – 1991
Variety is the Spice of Life
Apprenticeship Update
Thatch Fire Statistics
Extensions and Thatch
Irish Thatch
Tender for Maintenance and Thatching Works
LPOC
Thatch Tale – Bees
Social Media Interest
Some of Our Social Media Posts
Roof Inspection Reports
Thatch Tale – Roof Longevity
Our Next Thatch Picture Competition
Dodgey Chimneys
Please Note
New Build Thatch
Next Time
And Finally
Our Newsletter Sponsors – County Insurance Services
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Updates to Our Website

The Chocolate Box Thatch Picture Gallery.
Including the marvellous entries to our competition.
Installing Woodburners in Thatched Properties – Feasibility
Thinking about installing a Woodburner in your thatched property? Have a look at this article, which will answer some of the many questions we have recently received on this subject!! Thanks to our friends at Quantum Chimney Services for their great input on this.
The Benefits of Eco- design Compliant Stoves for Thatch.
Thanks to our friends at the Stove Industry Alliance for their input on this topic, answering some of your many questions. Improved design ticks lots of boxes.
Feeling Frustrated with the situation for Thatched Homeowners in the ROI. If anyone can assist please get in touch.
Thatch, Barbecues and Insurance.
With great input from some of our specialist thatch insurers.
Glencoe Folk Museum Redevelopment
As promised we brought you the exciting information on the redevelopment plans and heather rethatch for Glencoe Folk Museum. A bit of interesting reading and maybe worth a visit before the works start…..
Finding your Dream Thatched Cottage.
We help a lot of people when they have found their dream thatch cottage. Here we look at how to find it with help from our friends at Heart Felt Home
We have also added pictures to pages, the winner to the competition and a few other things which we haven’t included…. But we are all up to date.
New Associates on our Thatch Directory
Warm Welcome to all of our New Associates who have joined us on our Thatch Directory More Specialists to help with thatched properties.
East Midlands Master Thatcher’s Association.
Joining us under the Organisations Category.
A multi-disciplinary RICS regulated Chartered Building Consultancy – covering Dorset, Devon & Somerset.
Covering Norfolk. She comes with great references. Also a good time to remind you all to sweep chimneys before use!!
NVQ qualified, covering Somerset, Devon and Dorset with Chimney sweeping and HETAS stove Installations.
Covering Romsey / Hampshire area, they come with expertise and great references.
Got You Covered Insurance Brokers
They come with excellent verified Trust Pilot references.
Huge thanks also to the continued support from all our Associates, e.g. with Thatch Directory listing renewals and articles etc.
Chocolate Box Thatch Picture Competition – Winner
Congratulations to Mr C Curwood for his delightful winning picture, his gift token has been sent.
Many thanks to our totally impartial judge Jeremy Sargent of Hampshire Property Photography for his expertise and assistance in what must have been a very hard job in choosing the winner. Thank you again for all your awesome entries.
So many fabulous Chocolate Box Thatch Picture entries on our great gallery. Amazing cottages in all shapes, sizes and colours. Thank you so much to everyone who entered, we have loved seeing so many gorgeous images. Keep your eyes open in this Newsletter and our future social media to see some of the pretty pictures and stupendous snaps.
Why not have a go at our next picture competition too? Details below.
Article in the Herald

Our important Test it Tuesday reminders (to check that your Smoke and CO alarms are working properly) were noticed by The Herald (our Community Magazine). The Thatch Advice Centre was given a lovely write up with emphasis on our important regular reminders. #workingtogether is our aim and it is #working
Bookers Barn

An interesting enquiry which we’re happy to help with. A 14/15 century barn in West Sussex has a new owner who is wanting to renovate it rather than let it crumble away. He’s collected a lot of evidence on its past. It is stone built and was thatched (but now with no thatched roof remaining following a fire in 1979).
He was hoping someone we know may have some pictures of it before the fire? Apparently it has been delisted, was bought from the Church of England and about 200 years ago and was occupied by 3 families (from voting records). Please let us know if you can help add some meat to the bones, pictures to the pot or just have any additional information.
Mysteries – Can you identify?

Imagine our surprise on recently receiving not one, but two requests for help identifying mystery objects. We are not sure if they are even anything to do with thatching! But our wide and varied subscribers’ knowledge may have the answer? Email us if you can help.

This Year’s Straw Harvest

Despite the hot and dry weather we have had good reports from both the West Country and East Anglia (which are the biggest thatching straw growing areas). Crops may be a little light but the quality is apparently good. One big grower has said “Best harvest he has ever had!!” This is so much better than our report a few years ago when it rained too much!
Flashback Fridays
It’s good to look back at our previous interesting and relevant articles. So we re-introduced our Flashback Friday social media posts to remind you. The majority, so far, have been places to visit (with thatch) which, after lockdown, made sense.
Some great thatched buildings there, proving that thatching is a well-used & sustainable roofing material.
This involved plenty of thatch and interesting design.
The National Trust Thomas Hardy’s Cottage in Dorset.
Well worth booking a visit to see this lovely property and garden now it’s open again.
Little Woodham – A 1642 Living History Village in Hampshire.
We updated the page with 2022 opening days. So if you like thatch, history, open air museums (and places which have been used for films & by TV sets) then its worth a visit. Admission remains at Pre-Covid prices. Send us some pics if you go!
Glencoe and North Lorn Folk Museum.
Now re-opened (April – October) after the pandemic – definitely worth a visit. Watch this space for upcoming news on their heather thatch.
What a wonderful place where you can see life in the Highlands (living and working) from 1700s to 1950s.
Historic England – Update on Material Supply
Both Straw and Water Reed supplies have been on our and others’ radar. Our articles on growing thatching straw, water reed production etc have definitely highlighted the situation and came up with some ideas to help improve the situation, with some of our associates. The need to be more self-reliant as a country is now also being acknowledged by Historic England.
We believe it is important that those responsible for agriculture and also nature conservation are involved in order to come to relevant and workable solutions. As ever, we are frustrated at a lot of talk and not so much action but we understand how slow wheels can turn. The need to include all relevant parties including the wider minorities is also paramount to achieve the best results and explore all avenues.
Here’s a helpful update from Historic England :
“Historic England report they have had a good response to the draft report they circulated in April on Thatch Material Supply Issues, with some very positive feedback and many constructive suggestions. There was general agreement in those responses on the main challenges identified by Historic England to the consistent production and supply of indigenous thatching straw and reed in this country. Consensus was particularly strong on the problems posed by ageing machinery, difficulties in sourcing seasonal labour, and the lack of productive reedbeds in this country. However, a few other issues were highlighted such as the ageing demographic of those growers currently producing straw for thatch, and the absence of a clear succession to that generation of growers as well as the lack of incentives for new growers to enter the market.
The process of collating these detailed responses and incorporating them into the report is nearing conclusion, following which it will be formally issued as a Historic England research paper. All consultees will be provided with a copy of that report and any who have indicated an interest in actively collaborating on further work on this issue will be directly contacted. Historic England is in the process of identifying follow-up actions to pursue some of the ideas for addressing or overcoming the challenges to the production of thatching straw and reed and will be seeking further input from the sector in pursuing those next steps for which a concerted effort will be required.”
We are pleased to be part of “the sector” and have our next meeting with them in the diary. Will keep you all posted #workingtogether.
Bird Problems – Watch This Space

We have received, what seems to be, more enquiries than usual with birds causing damage to roofs e.g. pulling the straw out. The main culprits, as usual, being jackdaws and magpies. There is no real explanation for why these pesky feathered creatures choose one roof over another. We have listed various options as deterrents which may be useful on our website but we recently heard of another way which may help alleviate the problem. We are looking into it and will let you know in the next newsletter. Fingers crossed.
Blast from the Past – 1991

When sorting out some old paperwork we came across the “Thatchers Newsletter” from 1991 with information on a variety of topics eg:
- The Thatching Seminar held at Knuston Hall (where the Thatching Apprenticeships and courses used to be held)
- Long Straw Tuition
- Scaffold Courses (nowadays specific Scaffold firms with all the qualifications required are employed)
- Thatching Consultants
- Binder Maintenance Courses (how wonderful these skills in dealing with the machinery for harvesting thatching straw were taught,. Now it seems to be left more to the enthusiasts and farmers who still grow the old varieties.
- Hazel Coppicing (a shortage of hazel in some areas is mentioned along with the price per acre charged by landowners of between £20 – £50 per acre!!)
- A section on soil analysis and soil sampling (more good information for the thatching straw growers)
- And finally a section of adverts – for sale and wanted.
The editor of these regular Newsletters was Jeff King a thatcher and apprenticeship trainer. We take this opportunity to sadly report his passing this year. Jeff was writing this Newsletter as the Rural Development Commission – which we suppose has now evolved into Defra (but things like thatching etc seem to have fallen off their list!). We and others are working to get it back on their radar.
Our thoughts are with Jeff’s family, friends and all who knew him. We had visited him over the last few years and he was always a font of information with a smattering of wonderful and humorous stories thrown in for good measure.
Variety is the Spice of Life

What a huge variety of enquiries we have received – here are a few!
- The One Show – not keen to be on it ourselves!! But we did give them some “leads”.
- Several concerned homeowners with worries about fire during the hot weather – we managed to put their minds at rest, often it’s just about being sensible regarding fire risks …. e.g. bonfires, BBQs etc.
- Thatching Straw Seed availability (someone looking for Squarehead Master seed).
- We are aware that good thatchers are busy. They have been catching up from previous years’ harvest issues, Covid and from delayed works etc. Lets face it, there seems to be more thatching work needing doing than thatchers. Some thatchers have longer waiting lists than others but just be aware that material prices don’t seem to be reducing!
- Sadly there seems to have been an increase in enquiries with those not happy with their thatchers, so please read our articles on finding a thatcher and make informed choices. There is no overall governing body and membership of organisations sadly does not seem to be a guarantee either.
- Many people looking to purchase thatch – plenty of calls on this exciting situation.
- Organising Roof Inspection Reports for purchasing and insurance purposes (from thatchers who are not looking for work so are impartial).
- With the costs of heating escalating, many conversations regarding woodburning, chimneys and fire safety. Resulting in plenty of discussions re: fire risk reduction, chimney issues (e.g. height), listed thatch, fire retardant spray e.g. Magma Firestop.
- NB. We were a little concerned to hear of a company pricing to increase the height of a listed property’s chimney without making sure the property had listed building consent for the works! You need to check that the stack can take weight of any additions too!
- #WorkingTogether. Fire Services, Insurance Companies sharing and referring to our Thatch Fire Safety Leaflet, articles and other advice.
We have even had requests for hard copies of our Newsletter…. Not on our agenda…. yet
Apprenticeship Update

Tweaks to The Standard have been made and the next meeting to progress the apprenticeship is scheduled for October. It will be great to get things moving and, although other avenues for training have been explored, this route currently is the one felt to be most appropriate. We have a growing number of thatchers interested in joining in, so we are hopeful to achieve the objective.
Time (and finances) will tell.
Thatch Fire Statistics
Historic England’s Fire Safety Advisor has kept in touch with us regarding any thatch fires and, as far as possible, with regard to the “causes”. Here’s his update, along with words of caution…
“Really encouraging to see the number of fires involving thatch properties has reduced to 24 by the end of September as opposed to 42 this time last year. It’s still too many to have and the worry is with the current climate of high energy prices coupled with the cost of living crisis, for many to start using inappropriate burning materials and lack of care to ensuring that chimneys and log burners are kept in good condition.”
Keep up the good work folks but also keep spreading the fire safety message.
Please read our Thatch Fire Safety Leaflet #WorkingTogether
Extensions and Thatch

If you are planning a thatched roof extension please be aware, as well as making your architect aware, that the thickness of the existing roof will have an effect on how the roofs are “cut in”. How it is cut in as well as how the extension and its roof covering (be it thatch or otherwise) will join are important considerations.
Based on the enquiries we have received, these are sometimes considerations not identified or addressed at the appropriate time in the build.
Understanding what you are cutting into and how it will work are, we recommend, best included in the design at the beginning, rather than being left to the moment when you realise that it’s not so simple. The material type, material depth and fixings all play a part in understanding the appropriate construction.
Irish Thatch
Via our social media we have been made very aware of the problems for those owning thatched properties (majority of which are listed) in the Republic of Ireland. It is not a straightforward solution to finding insurance or thatchers to maintain them appropriately.
If you, know of or, are able to assist with ideas etc please email us. We will do our best to connect all relevant parties. Apparently, they are trying to set up their own insurance and also a survey on this topic has been circulating. Watch this space. Seems to be driven (as is our Thatch Advice Centre) by people power. #WorkingTogether
Thanks to our friends at Trohanny Cottage for their tenacity and great work in promoting this situation.
Tender for Maintenance and Thatching Works
We have very, very recently been contacted regarding a maintenance and thatching works tender at Jarrow Hall Anglo-Saxon Farm, Village and Bede Museum. So pleased to be able to include it in this newsletter for any of our specialists who may be interested in responding. Responses need to be in by 17th October 2022.
Our open-air archaeological museum, has been recently awarded a generous sum from the National Lottery Heritage Fund to support our project “Skills from the Past for the Future”. The project aims to redevelop our experimental open-air area and to restore and conserve our (re)constructed Anglo-Saxon timber buildings.
Two tenders have been published seeking for specialists who would be able to support this project, delivering not only conservation interventions to the buildings, but also related training workshops for our volunteers and staff to teach the basics of the Heritage Skills involved, such as wood-working and thatching. “Tender for Lot 2 is specifically dedicated to the interventions on the thatch of our experimental buildings.”
We look forward to hearing about progress on these interesting works.
LPOC
Our friends at the LPOC continue to work hard for our listed buildings, including thatch, although it never is as straightforward as we would prefer. We fully support what they do, stay in touch with them on progress and will keep you informed.
Thatch Tale – Bees

Did you know that we keep honey bees at Thatch HQ?
We were intrigued with a recent enquiry from someone who had a bee infestation in their thatched roof. On closer inspection of the roof, they appeared to be solitary bees (please feel free to identify them if you can and let us know). The amount of solitary bees in this roof, we could only think was due to it being a very good location. Possibly, also due to the dry hot weather meaning that the bees were reproducing well. So although living solitarily in individual “straws”, many straws were occupied! Fascinating.


Social Media Interest
What we do and who we are involved with ranges from mail, email, phone calls, meetings in person and, more now since lockdown, via social media. We are not experts in social media, by any stretch of the imagination, but we have developed a lovely following which is growing. Thank you to you all. Please remember that, all your engagement via contributions, loves, comments, shares etc. are very well received and appreciated.
Some of our Social Media Posts:-
“Friday Feeling. Pleased that the Scottish Crannog Centre is open and donations for the rebuild (after the fire) are going well, 60% of target.
Monday Motivation. Too many queries on thatch pests recently! Rats, birds etc… If you are a pest controller – get in touch. Happy to collaborate. #Workingtogether
Monday Motivation after St Georges Day on Saturday. A Thatched Dragon finial seems very appropriate (as he supposedly fought a dragon!) Thanks to Tom Chalk Thatching for this one.
Monday Motivation – Longparish Riverdance Walk. Wonderful time recently on this enjoyable stroll with plenty of timeless thatched cottages along the route… We have more pictures too!!
Working Together is our motto. Glad #ThatchAdvice is being used by others. Please don’t forget to tag us too and Keep social media social. #thatchadvice
Monday Motivation – Hobby. We love Thatch and keep bees. Last week we collected a swarm and were sent this great picture! What is your hobby?
Friday Feeling – Lucky to have attended Badminton Horse Trials last Saturday. Couldn’t resist a picture of the second fence, 1.2m high with a 1.7m top spread. Can’t get away from Thatch! Do you think the straw was header stripped?
Following on from our Q & A theme the other week. Another thatch fire safety tip from us. Here’s a bird guard (others are available) to deter birds from sitting on your chimney and/ or making a nest.
Insurance Crisis. Interesting and concerning article from The Irish Times on “Thatched Cottages – Insurance Crisis” over there!
Wonderful Wednesday Windows. Cute leaded window on the side. Good to see their fire wood being seasoned and stored under cover too! Send us your thatched window pics to share ideas and designs with everyone (you will be credited if you like!).
Sad day. Thatch Fire in Torquay – no news on cause yet. Please read our Thatch Fire Safety Leaflet and reduce the risks.
Continuing our jubilation from the long bank holiday weekend we now have… New Kit, New Software and New CRM. Exciting times at Thatch HQ!
Thatch HQ were Wednesday Wondering…. How many properties are called “The Thatched Cottage” We reckon 100’s? What do you think?
Thatch Advice. Monday Motivation. We love hearing from potential Thatched Property Purchasers and helping with their questions on owning thatch. e.g. maintenance, fire safety, insurance, inspection reports etc. Plenty of info on our website or get in touch, always happy to help.
Just had to share a bit of good news about rebuild of a fire damaged Grade II listed thatched property – from Cheshire Live
Wednesday Wondering. If everyone understands the difficulty in pricing for future thatching work when material prices keep changing. Recent calls meant we thought it was worth a mention. Let’s see how the next harvest goes?
Monday Motivation. Did you know we have a Thatch Directory of Specialist Associates to help in maintaining and caring for Thatched properties? List of Categories – Architects, Surveyors, Organisations, Insurers, Master Thatchers, Chimney Sweeps etc…. If you are looking for help or want to join us please get in touch.
That was close! Lorry avoids collision with Thatched cottage….. Just!!!!
Thatch Advice – Did you know we breed New Forest ponies here at Thatch HQ and our prefix is “Thatchers”? Here’s our stallion Thatchers Dun Roamin along with one of his sons born this year, as yet unnamed. We go with food and alcohol! Any ideas? Mum is Thatchers Caramel!
Wednesday Wondering – We found an old postcard and on the back all the pictures are identified. Do you recognise them? We will tell you the answers next week….
Wednesday Wonder No More – Here are the answers to last week’s postcard pondering? Did you recognise them?
Interesting article on a new use for this lovely thatched building.
Wooden Ladder in Suffolk looking for a good home, where it will be kept whole. It’s 9.1m long, 39 rungs, 0.49m wide at the bottom and 0.34m at the top. In good condition but obviously not new. The current owner says “each rung is thicker in the middle and looks like they were formed with a draw knife” Email us if you are interested! PS Not necessarily H & S compliant!
Wednesday Walks – Sophie took these great photos when out walking with her Mum during the holidays. Any other children or adult budding photographers of Thatched Cottages who would like a mention?

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Highlighting this awful situation in ROI. If anyone knows an insurer who would cover these properties please email us #workingtogether
Reminded everyone on Chimney Fire Safety Week.
Monday Motivation Reminder that appropriate scaffolding is required for working at height. Both Thatchers and home owners have a responsibility.”
Roof Inspection Reports

Our Associates’ Thatched Roof Inspection Reports are being recommended by insurers and praised by potential purchasers of thatched properties. They are comprehensive and cover both information on the roof “now” and for the future with indicative costings. The benefit of these reports being written by thatchers who are not looking for work is obvious. They are independent and unbiased. Wonderful to have received such great reviews.
Thatch Tale – Roof Longevity

Sadly we have been discussing a Water Reed roof which was rethatched after a fire, complete with fireboards. It only lasted 10 years!! Why we asked? Was it the materials, the roof design, the boards, quality of thatching? Unfortunately, it seems to be the latter.
The roof was applied by sub-contractor thatchers, (of which there are many excellent “subbies”) but these had applied the thatch with insufficient depth over the fixings….. Looks good at the start, but will it last? Was it done with Wheat Reed fixings on a Water Reed roof we wonder?
There’s more to good thatching than people realise.
Our Next Thatch Picture Competition
Excitedly announcing our next Picture Competition “Thatched Businesses”. It’s time to promote our wonderful thatched roofs and all the businesses they cover!
Send us your pictures. It may be a pub, restaurant, hotel, B&B, flower shop, museum….. you will be surprised at the potential entries and what businesses can be showcased. Trying to help after a difficult few years.
Details of this competition (which ends on 1st September 2023) are on our website. Winner will be announced in our Autumn 2023 Newsletter.
A gallery will probably be in order and don’t forget to include your name, address and contact number…. In case you are the Winner.
Dodgey Chimneys
Please be aware that chimney integrity (not just a liner) is very important in a working chimney – especially if your roof is thatched. Don’t just get it swept, get the chimney and liner checked so that you can burn as safely as possible. Recent fuel prices mean that we anticipate more thatched property owners will be burning solid fuel. These snippets of advice are so important.
Please Note

We work hard to impart our knowledge and understanding of thatch related issues. Our time is given freely and our information is based on experience, is well researched and often backed by our associates.
It has been brought to our attention that our ideas/articles/pages are being re-written and used by others. We would prefer that anyone plagiarising our ideas and information would please give us credit for the original article and, if at all possible, please try and rewrite it so that it is still correct information! It does you no good to put up information which shows that you really don’t understand what you are doing!
PS We have a file full of more original ideas, ready to work on ……..
New Build Thatch

A positive note to end on. Its wonderful to know that there are still developments of new properties with thatched roofs. With appropriate design and understanding we truly hope that these may well be the listed buildings of the future. One example is the new housing development in West Horsley by Hawkesmoor Homes, which included a magnificent thatched property.
Next Time

As ever, we are already planning the next Newsletter. Within the plans we have articles in the pipeline on very relevant topics. It’s just a matter of getting the information onto the website (with a little help from our friends!).
Keep your eyes peeled, watch our notifications on social media and checkout the website every now and again…..
If you have any ideas, photos etc they will always be welcomed.
Hope you have enjoyed this Newsletter as much as we did writing it and sharing the wonderful pictures.
And Finally

Can we be the first to wish you all, who have read this far, a Very Happy Christmas and all the best for the New Year!
We plan to send you our next Newsletter in the Spring 2023.
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